“There has been some discussion lately about ammending the US constitution AGAIN to include a national religion and repeal that section of the first ammendment. (good luck trying that one, but, it's a bit scary that it's made it onto the Aussie news... Must be quite a push...).”
It doesn’t seem to have made it to the UK news. I can find an article in ‘Crisis Magazine’ (http://www.crisismag...first-amendment
) from February declaring that Obama has repealed the First Amendment -- but on reading the article it’s basically a Catholic author writing a hysterically biased article about employers being “(required) to provide contraception, abortion-inducing drugs and sterilization”.
I can’t see anything (though I admit I’ve only made a cursory search) that seems to be suggesting that a repeal is on the cards or even being seriously discussed.
“I'm absolutely positive, although I've seen no data, that the world, particularly the USA, became more religious after that.”
But you’ve seen no data. Isn’t it possible that it was your perception of the world’s state of religiousness that changed? That you associated 9/11 with Islam -- as the perpetrators intended you should do -- and that this increased your sense that religion is a threat (especially if, for whatever reason, you already held that generalised view)? And that this in turn led you to be even more conscious of that threat and therefore more aware of the extent of religious belief?
When I’m driving, I have this thing about BMWs and Audis. They seem to be exclusively driven by arrogant, aggressive bullies with no concern for anyone but themselves. Every time I get cut up, tailgated, or otherwise hassled on the roads, it’s a BMW or an Audi. Of course it’s not
every time: it’s just that whenever I see one of these makes of car being driven like this, it reinforces the existing prejudice. If it’s another make of car I probably just don’t really notice. I have no actual data to say that BMW and Audi drivers are statistically more aggressive than the norm. It’s very easy to fall into this kind of thinking, and it takes conscious reasoning to pull yourself out of it.
Although I absolutely don't believe it, I have heard some conspiracy theorists say that the whole WTC thing was not really Al Quaeda, it was the US government who orchestrated it, firstly for an excuse to take on the middle east, and, secondly as a recall to religion which was lapsing.
The ‘9/11 as an inside job’ conspiracy theory is still very popular with people of, shall we say, a 'certain mindset'. I’ve heard it explained as a false-flag operation executed by the government to justify military action in the Middle East; I've never heard anyone say it was to revive a failing religion, though. The ‘inside job’ theories are all utter bunk, and none of the evidence presented for them stands up even to casual examination.
It's amazing how people would become MORE religious after an assault that had a religious mindset.
It’s still arguable whether it did
, in fact, have a religious mindset, or whether -- as is generally the case in conflict and atrocity -- it was an act of power-mongering political violence rationalised by reference to religion. We all take it as read that Al Qa’eda are ‘Islamic extremists’ -- but I’m sure they wouldn’t be too unhappy, if the world suddenly decided to bow down to them, to have the world bowing down to them. Such people can talk about trying to turn the world to the 'true faith', or whatever -- but it always seems quite clear they imagine themselves in charge. You could argue (and I’ve known many atheists that have) that that’s what religious people do: but if you truly believe that you’re the humble creation of an omniscient, omnipotent God -- in other words, if you’re a genuinely religious monotheistic believer -- would it really be a consistent
thing to do?
the concept that the fundamentalists in this country want to turn the Middle East into a nuclear nightmare so they can bring Armageddon and the return of Christ. That truly scares me.
It would probably scare me too, if I thought it was a real issue. But I’ve seen nothing that would convince me that 9/11 was planned, or even deliberately allowed, by the US Government. There may well be elements within the US administration that welcome conflict in the Middle East, but I’d be far more concerned about the influence of those who want to profit from weapons sales and lucrative rebuilding contracts than I would be about those seeking to bring about some nebulous prophecy about Armageddon.
As RGD51 says, one heck of a good reason to be an atheist!
Perhaps. Or perhaps it would be sufficient not to be a violent, xenophobic fundamentalist or an exploitative, amoral profiteer.
I know. I talk too much.